Apart from cd's with copy protection, which don't play in many old players, some new players, lots of car stereos. Regarding drm, what dave is getting at is that Apple are pushing drm on people, but still trying to be seen as the consumers champion. Personally, I think that Steve Jobs words are welcome, but empty unless something happens because of them. I think that the whole iPod -> iTunes arrangement is a disgrace. Its stupid that you have to hack it to get reasonable functionality, ie, copy files off it easily. I wonder if Stevo plans to change that as well?